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Shaking/not eating - IBD/Lumbosacral/phobias-IVDD

Gina M.

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Yesterday 12/20 evening we had to have an HVAC person come into the home (6pm) and change out our thermostat for the heat, Fudge was behind a gate with his sister so he didn't disturb the worker, both pups were very worked up by having the person in the home. (barking). The worker was in the home for about 45 minutes, after he left Fudge was very uncomfortable-shaking and panting. He also did not get much sleep yesterday during the day because of the issue. He went out to pee a few times but his ears are back, very arched back and shaking. His body is very stiff when he is standing up, he's yelped a few times when being picked up from one location to go outside and back inside the house, very slow moving. I did the Assisi lounger twice on him last night and that seemed to calm him down. He refused his snack at 8:30pm. He slept for a few hours on the couch with me, around 10:22pm he started to get uncomfortable again (licking his lips and shaking). We took him outside and he peed again, and went into his crate. He was shaking in his crate, we turned the lights off. I woke up in the middle of the night around 3am and he was awake - I took him outside to use the bathroom and he was very stiff, arched back and shaking. We put him in our bed and I did an Assisi loop treatment on him. I made up a remedy that Dr Jeff and I discussed during our phone appointment on Friday 12/19 Ignatia. Fudge seemed to be on high alert for a few weeks, sensitive to noises and if I vacuumed he would work himself up to the point after I was done vacuuming a lot of downward dog stretches. We attributed it to some kind of phobia. Dr Jeff suggested Ignatia - I did not administer it on Friday because I wanted to make sure I wrote down the correct remedy.

Fudge fell back to sleep in the bed after dosing an Assisi loop treatment, we usually get up around 6am to have breakfast, but I noticed him sleeping comfortable so I left him and set the alarm for 6:30am, to feed his sister. He did not want to get up at 6:30am and started to shake again, we did the Assisi Loop on him again and he settled back down. We laid with him in bed, around 8am he woke up and was licking his lips. We lifted him to take him off the bed and he yelped, his body was very tense, shaking, arched back and his back leg was scissored. I carried him outside and he peed. When I went to pick him up to take him back inside he yelped again. I put him in one of his dog beds but he wanted to be in another one so he got up and walked over to his preferred bed. He continued to shake and was very stiff, he also started to pant. My fiance and I started to massage him and did an Assisi Loop treatment. He finally calmed down, stopped panting and shaking and is now resting in the bed. Anytime he moves he starts to shake-currently as I type this post.

I am not going to force him to eat today, since he isn't looking for anything might mix up some moringa paste for him My question is: I gave him the Ignatia at 3am this morning thinking maybe this was a phobia related incident but it seems like he is in some kind of discomfort by the way he is yelping. The assisi looping is helping to calm him down from these episodes but he isn't able to move around like he normally does. Fudge was acting normal all day until the HVAC guy arrived. I have given him Ruta in the past for his lumbosacral episodes. Do you think I should give that to him to see if this will help?

Fudge's background- diagnosed with severe IBD at 6 mos (currently 4 years old), lumbosacral disease lin January (2020), partial torn CCL in June (2020). I'm also concerned this might be IVDD issues.
 
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Hey Gina. Nope, no Ruta.

Fantastic that you gave the Ignatia when you did! Sound sensitivity and physical symptoms from sensitivity and strong emotions are exactly why it was prescribed.

Just let the Ignatia from last night act. Is he sleeping on the Assisi Lounge? If not, let's see if he's OK with being put on it.

Also, please put the ionbox 12-18 in. from his nose while he sleeps.
 
Thank you for the quick response Dr. Jeff-

He won’t rest on the lounger, so I did a few loop treatments on him (so glad we own both).

I also have the ionbox close by to him and it’s been on for 2 hours already.

He’s resting right now with his sister - the ionbox is on the lower shelf of the table ??

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Around 12:30pm I I fed sundae her lunch and took her out to use the bathroom. I crushed up some of fudges food and put it in a bowl with water and moringa - I put it up to his nose and he started to lick his lips. I then attempted to give him moringa paste by itself and he started to shake, got up from the bed -very hunched slow walking and his hind legs close together. He is leaning to one side - looks like no control or his rear ended. He started to pant and didn’t want greg or I to be near him. Greg touched the back of him and he let out a yelp, I put the lounger on the ground and tried to get him to sit on it. He continued to stand on the hardwood floor near in between the couch and the xmas tree and he was shaking very hunched, shaking and panting. I finally got him to stand on the lounger, he continued to pant and shake , I turned the lounger on and let him be, he panted for an additional 15 minutes, finally sat on the lounger and then laid down on it. He is currently on his 3rd treatment on the lounger since 12:30pm and facing the tree-he stopped shaking and panting. He does not want greg or I to be near him. Sundae is laying on the couch with Greg. He will not put his head down he is just staring at the xmas tree and quietly whimpering and laying on the lounger.

Do you want me to just let the Ignatia act and if he is not better in a day or so redose like the original plan?

Greg carried him out to use the bathroom- he didn’t squat or lift his leg - his legs were straight behind him and he began to pee. He drunk walked a little bit and didn’t poop normal either.
I’m really concerned this is not phobia related and these are lumbosacral symptoms.

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Yes, either back or abdominal discomfort, and not emotional.

It's now been about 12 hours, so go ahead and redose but sucuss 5x.
 
He’s been laying in his bed near the ionbox but not sleeping after dosing again.

Fudge is hot panting, took him out to pee and his feet buckled - when he was peeing- Greg took him inside and he fell over on his side .
Tried to take him to Cornell to be evaluated but they told us he should see a neurologist - in Yonkers or Bridgeport.

He’s showing the same symptoms - arched back and not putting much weight on his left hind leg. He’s using his front to bear most of his weight.

should I give him the nux vomica you suggested back in January when he had a episode with his back and we discussed an emergency situation?
 
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Yes, the Nux 30c is the exact right thing to do! 10/Q-tip every 30 minutes for up to 5 doses.

Soon after you give it, please call VREC in Norwalk (203) 854-9960‬ and tell them about his back and leg symptoms. They will probably want you to bring him in to be assessed right away.

In one of your pics, it looks like he is up on a couch. Does he jump onto and off of the couch frequently?
 
We are already on our way to VREC- I did not see this till we were on the road .
Since January fudge is only allowed on the couch if we pick him up and put him down.
Rarely has he jumped off the couch. He hasn’t been on the couch all day.
 
The doctor said he is losing function in both legs- they are going to give him pain medicine and send him home with pain meds. He has to be seen by a neurologist- surgery or strict crate rest.

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We are already on our way to VREC- I did not see this till we were on the road .
Since January fudge is only allowed on the couch if we pick him up and put him down.
Rarely has he jumped off the couch. He hasn’t been on the couch all day.

Fantastic that he is not allowed to jump up on the couch!

I'm so glad that you got him to see the vet at VREC. Please now start the Nux dosing and bring him to see the neurologist tomorrow, whether he improves or not.

Dr. Galano at Shoreline in Shelton:


or Dr. Eich in Yonkers can then assess the need for spinal decompression (pressure on his spine may be the physical reason for his symptoms);


Please keep him crated for now. Gently massage and talk to him while you continue to dose Nux and until he falls asleep.
 
They gave him a methadone injection because he was in a lot of pain - can I still dose him?



I rubbed his probiotic in his mouth, mixed some moringa and water and he slurped it right up and gave him a little bit of his kibble crushed.

Update-
I gave him 5 doses of the nux vox (he was breathing very heavy all night) does not want to lay down and he is wide awake right now panting - he’s been panting on and off. Seems to be losing more feeling in his legs- we might take him to the vca in Shelton or Yonkers haven’t decided which will be best for him.
 
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Wherever you can get him in today Gina.

Even if he needs to get admitted in order to see the neurologist (you may not be able to get an appointment, but the neurologist or surgeon will see him once he gets admitted).
 
Wherever you can get him in today Gina.

Even if he needs to get admitted in order to see the neurologist (you may not be able to get an appointment, but the neurologist or surgeon will see him once he gets admitted).
Took him outside to potty and he had no feeling in both hind legs- we are headed to the emergency at the VCA in Shelton.
 
I hope his IVDD gets “fixed” quickly in the hospital so he can get home to heal.
 
Fudge is home from the hospital after having emergency back surgery. He is very sleepy - I gave him two doses of Arnica since we have been home. We have the ionbox on. He was not interested in eating his normal food today, I got him to eat a little bit of moringa broth so he could take his steroid. Hoping tomorrow his appetite is better so he can take his other meds. Any suggestions you think he might be able to tolerate if he doesn’t eat his regular food?
 
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gina, Checking in for an update on Fudge.
Eating?
Less pain?
Hypericum may be indicated, but we will hear from Dr. Jeff about remedies for him.

Dr. Christina
 
I’m giving him Arnica every couple of hours for the bruising on his spinal cord. Also do the Assisi loop a few times a day.
He has been slowly eating during meal but not his usual amount. He hasn’t been showing any signs of pain, he is very timid during feeding, medicine and expressing. He finally did a bowel movement on his own since surgery- very weird but the hospital said that it can normal right after surgery and to monitor.

we had him soaking in some sun yesterday and hopefully will get him outside for fresh air today

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