Cat Hot Spots and Dry Food

[AileenB]

Hi,
My cat:

Berli, black cat, short hair, Female, approx 2.5 years old, 12 lbs
B = usually very mellow and sweet
E = on the low side
A = high
M = usually content, currently angry as of yesterday

Food - wet: canned Ziwi brand beef, venison, limited ingredient brand rabbit - Dry: - was Natural Balance Salmon and Pea, then switched to Stella and Chewy rabbit kibble a few weeks ago, until yesterday when I stopped cold turkey

Berli has had chronic ear infections since about 2 months after we got her. We adopted her and grey tabby sister at about 6months old (2 years ago.) Lulu (grey tabby) has NONE of these issues although she has eaten the same food and been on all the same medicines since we got them. Being new cat owners, we did what the vets told us and both were given several medicines right away as the vet claimed they had ear, eye and nose infections on their first well check. They were both also fixed before we got them.

Berli has had chronic ear discharge which causes severe itching - we have tried everything, the vets ran every test and are still puzzled and assume "allergy." We took both cats off of chicken (which Berli LOVED) 10 months ago and went only fish for both cats. The itching did not stop. Recently we have dialed down the fish and tried beef, vension and rabbit. But Berli has continued to develop severe hot spots above both ears and now around her face. The only thing that made her better was daily prednilisone. But she hated the administration of the medicine and after taking her off it it, the itching comes right back. I have kept her off of it but she looks worse and worse. Her hot spots are red and sometimes bleed.

After speaking with @Dr. Jeff I took her off of the dry food completely (Stella and Chewy Rabbit) and ONE day later, our sweet, loving kitty is angry, aggressive, is biting us and scratching at us. I know she LOVES the dry food so much more than the wet and it makes me so sad that we took away another thing she loves. @Dr. Jeff - you and I discussed her happiness as part of the healing process but she is NOT happy and is scratching herself even worse. I have spent more time with her to compensate, petting her, my daughter plays with her but she's clearly not happy or content.

It is so hard to watch her be so bummed and also difficult to be around her because she is aggressive and destructive - which is a brand new issue since we took away the dry food. Very unlike her. I know the dry food is the worst but it also seems like one of the few things she really likes...

Any advice or support will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Aileen

 

[GinnyW]

How about feeding just a bit of dry, in with whatever else she might find attractive? Hunger can be a positive motivation. Raw proteins in tiny amounts could be more attractive. How about feeding more opportunistically, like leaving a bit of something in a unexpected place or time? The dry foods are unnaturally attractive, and/but you may be able to find brands that are simpler, more wholesome.

I know cats are real a**holes when it comes to change, but it can be done if you are appropriately sneaky. You have her whole life to get this straightened out, so go slowly. Definitely get that homeopathic guidance, too. No healthy animal stays self-destructive...

 

[AileenB]

How about feeding just a bit of dry, in with whatever else she might find attractive? Hunger can be a positive motivation. Raw proteins in tiny amounts could be more attractive. How about feeding more opportunistically, like leaving a bit of something in a unexpected place or time? The dry foods are unnaturally attractive, and/but you may be able to find brands that are simpler, more wholesome.

I know cats are real a**holes when it comes to change, but it can be done if you are appropriately sneaky. You have her whole life to get this straightened out, so go slowly. Definitely get that homeopathic guidance, too. No healthy animal stays self-destructive...

Thank you, Ginny, your post was both comforting and humorous with a fabulous dose of perspective. I HAVE been in a hurry to fix this so I really appreciate the reminder to go slowly....

 

[Dr. Christina]

We call dry food kitty crack, and sometimes it is a big challenge to switch.
you may want to get a variety of freeze dried treats and foods to try. There is no one one right answer and often it does take a lot of patience.

You are doing a great thing to interact more and play more.

Possible Switching Foods flower essence could help, or @Dr. Jean Hofve may suggest a Bach remedy for "angry at not getting their way" or one of her combo essences.

You may want to address the underlying energy field is out of balance (causing the ear and skin problems as well as the insistence on dry food) by scheduling an appointment with a homeopathic veterinarian (or a good TCVM or holistic vet). Read more about finding one here.

PATIENCE and watch as many webinars as possible, take the 101 class and keep posting.
Dr. Christina

 

[Dr. Jean Hofve]

Here's every idea I've ever heard of for getting cats off dry food. It can take a long time, be patient but be persistent. Switching Foods | Little Big Cat - Dr. Jean Hofve

Definitely avoid fish, it contains histamine and is a very common allergen.

Omega-3 fatty acids are anti-inflammatory, I recommend green-lipped mussel oil (not fish!). The one I use is Moxxor. Tiny capsules, easy to give to cats, not nearly as stinky as fish oil, and has strong antioxidants in it too.

Skin Soother or Welcoming Change (Jackson Galaxy Solutions) are two of the formulas that might help her. Safe Space also feels like a good one for her. Take a look and see what you think. At least start with Rescue Remedy, which you can get at any health food store right away, and may make a big difference by itself, since it has Crab Apple (important for allergies) and Impatiens (self-explanatory!).

You've already talked to @Dr. Jeff so you may want to continue to work with him for classical homeopathy, which would be best for her. Skin issues are among the toughest to deal with, so again, patience will be a bonus!

Also, in case it comes up in the near future, she should NOT be vaccinated for anything, it will rile up her already-whacky immune system. Vaccines are labeled "for healthy animals only" and a cat with chronic allergies does not fit that description!

I'm sure your vet already considered this but make absolutely sure there are no fleas anywhere. A single bite can cause a severe weeks-long reaction!

 

[Dr. Jeff]

she LOVES the dry food so much more than the wet and it makes me so sad that we took away another thing she love

Ah yes. Many cats love dry food (like kids love candy).

And as we discussed Aileen, that love, joy and happiness are instrumental to proper healing. Dry cat food can be a big obstacle to that healing.

How about a freeze-dried food or yummy home cooked chicken, turkey, beef, etc? Or Small Batch freeze dried hearts cut up and used as a topper:

https://www.chewy.com/smallbatch-pets-chicken-hearts-grain/dp/1324646

she is aggressive and destructive - which is a brand new issue since we took away the dry food. Very unlike her

Perhaps powder some up and also use it as a topper.

Most important is to do this gradually. It will take time...

Also, if you are not already doing so, strongly consider connecting with a veterinary homeopath. S/he will address Berli's underlying energetic issues that caused both the itching as well as her food preferences and aggression/destructiveness.

BTW-How often do you engage her in play? Does she have any favorite games?

 

[AileenB]

WOW - thank you for all the support. She has been off of the dry food now for 2 weeks. She's less mad and seems to like the homemade meals we are making her. We have not started with any raw yet.

@Dr. Christina & Dr. @Dr. Jean Hofve - I have the Bach Rescue remedy for myself - I will research the pet version and the flower essences - I will look at Jackson Galaxy's products too - nice to know his stuff is HA! approved.

@Dr. Jeff this week I have not played with her too much, her favorite game is the "ping pong ball" chase game. She IS very excited to be fed though. She doesn't like to come too close to us - I think because of all the ear treatments we have given her over the last 2 years. I sing to her every morning and talk to her and attempt to "connect" with her outside of physical touch.

My newest question: Her ears are still so irritated - black discharge comes out and I know that's why she's itching. She has always had this problem. When we had her on the prednilisone, she did itch less and her hair started to grow back. But we have not started her on that again since the last dosage, and her itching has ramped way up. The medical vet said we just need to keep giving it to her - I am not on board with that. HOWEVER, Berli scratches herself terribly. We put aloe gel on the hot spots but not using any medicines per say. IS this the best approach? How long until we start to intervene further?

I am very concerned with the happiness balance but also do not want her to create an infection. I found a holistic vet not too far from here - I am not sure if she is on any of the lists @Dr. Christina - but I will check all the recommended websites before we consult with her. Either way - we can't get in to see anyone for at least a week, if not 2 but I don't know how long we should let this go on....

Thank you for all the help and support.

 

[Dr. Jeff]

IS this the best approach? How long until we start to intervene further?

Great questions!

In my opinion the very best approaches address her cellular energy. Not just her physiologic symptom manifestations (which are secondary to her energy flow).

Perhaps start right away working with a well-trained vet homeopath to address Berli's energetic imbalance balance which is manifesting as her physical symptoms.

 

[GinnyW]

I second the recommendation for working with a qualified homeopath - not simply a "holistic" vet, within whose range a whole bunch of more-or-less modalities fall. Hers is a fairly classic situation - not something fully treatable with a symptomatic medicine, but a deep and chronic condition which will respond, I feel, to constitutional consideration by a well-trained and classical homeopath. Homeopathy shines in this sort of situation, and can set her right for the rest of her life. Salves and drops, and even the best diet, will not achieve the retuning I feel she needs. We do have homeopaths listed, and there are others, and Dr. Jeff offers short calls as well as full-on management of cases....

 

[AileenB]

Hi, here's an update:
Berli's itching and ear issues continue. I am feeling kind of defeated. Below you can see 2 pics of her from Nov 10 (a few days after my first post) AND 3 pics from today. We have thought we are doing the right things but she's seem to be worse...

B - mellow, low key, suspicious
E - low to mid - sleeps most of the day, comes out to eat, looks around, then goes back to her favorite spot
A - decreased
M - sullen

FOOD: We are feeding her home cooked food based on the nutrition booklet from Dr. Basko. Mostly it's just organic ground beef right now because we did a 5strands hair intolerance test and beef came up as no intolerance so we figured that was safe.

HOMEOPATHY: I had a consult with a homeopathic vet on Weds 11/20 - he recommended 3 days of 1 tablet of 30c pulsatella served in a small amount of organic half and half - Right now because of her stress level, we are not being very aggressive with trying to force her to take anything so we put the tablet in the cream in a shallow dish and she took some of that the first 2 days but was completely disinterested on the 3rd day. I have another call with him next week.

ALOE: We have been putting fresh aloe gel (from the plant because I can't find a store kind without other stuff in it) on her sores - but again, trying to not force her to endure any long process

HOLISTIC VET: We also took her in to see a holistic vet at Hemopet on 11/29 to ensure the sores and ears were not infected. We did not see Jean Dodds, but another vet in the practice. She advised to use Vetrycin on the sores around her ears which are now around her mouth and as well, she also has a sore spot on her bottom they treated with the vetricyn. They did clean out her ears and also cut her nails and ordered an herbal ear drop for her ears.

The new vet recommended we do the Hemopet food test so we're saving up for that.

I watched the Ta Nui video so I do that on her for as long as she allows.

I also got the Jackson Galaxy soothing treatment although again, I am not great at holding her down to get it on her - she runs off, licks it off as soon as she can and sometimes her sister licks it off.

We purchased a "Catio" and plan to build that out in the next few weeks - it will attach to the house so they can get fresh air and play safely without risk of getting loose. (We live near a major street and lots of coyotes so I don't let them roam free.)

She still itches and licks consistently. I am so stressed out and confused, I am not sleeping very well. I used to have a lot of faith when it came to healing with love and the right foods and supplements, but to see things get worse after implementing some significant changes, is very disheartening. Not to mention, I can't help but feel responsible and it breaks my heart.

Questions:
1) Are there any recommended brands of "treats" that taste good but not really bad for her? (She is not a huge fan of freeze dried treats, she used to like those Tiki Cat licks but those seem not in line with healthy options - or would the damage of a "bad" treat be negligible in favor or a happy cat?)

2) Should I continue to apply the vetricyn, or stick with the aloe?

Thank you so much for "listening."

 

[Dr. Jeff]

1) Are there any recommended brands of "treats" that taste good but not really bad for her?

Most kitties love broken up or finely ground (I use a coffee bean grinder) and Orijen cat treats (which are super soft and easily crumbled):

https://www.chewy.com/orijen-original-grain-free-freeze/dp/142617?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=20647600292&utm_content=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAr7C6BhDRARIsAOUKifiQOqMuLveVqpqpx17tzzhosTwxN89UW6BuiGIoo6hoXhf7XCq0eZ4aAg-TEALw_wcB

2) Should I continue to apply the vetricyn, or stick with the aloe?

You can alternate between them or do whichever feels intuitively "right" to you.

 

[AileenB]

Thank you, Dr. Jeff!

 

[Dr. Jeff]

YW Aileen!

 

[AileenB]

HI All,
A quick update - Berli is doing better. She is itching less, her hair is growing back and her wounds are healing. We are home making her food right now according to Dr. Basko's recommendations and we supplement with Ziwi peak to make sure she's getting a balance of the minerals and vitamins. Also have been working with a homeopath and she wore a collar for 2 weeks which really helped. She does still itch though - she may still have a yeast infection in one ear, but we are trying to treat homeopathically instead of with meds.

Question - She still has some sores not completely healed. Is there a brand of Organic Aloe gel you recommend? I have been using the raw from the plant -I freeze it and defrost it - but it's time consuming and hard to work with and Berli is so skittish for any kind of treatment and makes it hard to get enough on her. Thank you.

 

[Dr. Christina]

So glad Beril is improving.

Be sure your homeopathic veterinarian (who is yours?) knows of the changes in all symptoms. Be great to download the Healthy Cat Journal and be tracking each symptom (past and current) and BEAM. Also read about being patient and allowing her body to heal itself. Can be useful to take photos weekly or more often of the remaining sores.

Most human health food stores have drinkable Aloe - I have found them to fine to use topically.

You could also try calendula, flower essences (rescue remedy, or from jackson galaxy - Stress stopper (Dr. Jean says it is rescue remedy on steroids) and maybe skin soother. These can be given internally as well as used on the skin.

Definitely pay attention to her skittishness - with the correct homeopathic treatment that should be lessening. Listen to both of Anitra Frazier's webinars to help you treat Beril easily. And you may find that one of the skin soothing suggestions - many more in the skin section at HA! ibrary (as well as article on my website) she will love more than another. Many cats know what is good for them so good to try different ones to soothe while deeply healing with the homeopath.

Yeast is not the cause of the ear symptoms - the underlying imbalance of the vital force is the cause, so do not even be thinking "get rid of yeast" - think "rebalance the vital force so the body naturally heals the ear." maybe re-read lesson one of the 101 course or chapters 2 and 3 of Don Hamilton's Homeopathic Care of Cats and dogs.

Dr. Christina

 

[Dr. Jeff]

- Berli is doing better.

Yay! Go Berli's body!!

Question - She still has some sores not completely healed. Is there a brand of Organic Aloe gel

Sure, and the liquid can be used both on her skin and orally:

https://www.amazon.com/LILY-DESERT-Organic-Whole-Preservative/dp/B07PJTKFF5/ref=asc_df_B07PJTKFF5?mcid=5faee5ec52343b268842d02d9fc5027e&hvocijid=11593215039056824676-B07PJTKFF5-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11593215039056824676&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003448&hvtargid=pla-2281435182178&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Unprocessed-additives-chemicals-thickeners/dp/B0CWW18FQF/ref=asc_df_B0CWW18FQF?mcid=0c613f0d6ccd3809a491be518393aae4&hvocijid=5543567089128570946-B0CWW18FQF-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5543567089128570946&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003448&hvtargid=pla-2281435178338&th=1

 

[Dr. Jean Hofve]

Caution: do not use flower essences directly on the sores, they contain alcohol. Use on the paws, top of head, just get them into her energy body.

 

[AileenB]

Hi All,

An Update and more questions for Berli:

B - good, she is very mellow
E - lower than before all this recent mess started in October - she's 3 now, could it also be that she's just getting a little less kitteny?
A- good - she eats well and would probably eat more but I am worried about over feeding
M- she seems a bit depressed

@Dr. Christina - the homeopath we are working with is Dr. Henry Kostecki
@Dr. Jeff - I got the aloe you recommended
@Dr. Jean Hofve - I will try the paws for the rescue remedy

Physical symptoms:
- Her ears are producing less black discharge so that seems great, however, she is itching her face, under her chin and around her ears although more her face than her ears. She is over-grooming and licking her bottom again - has a hot spot on her right upper thigh with no hair as well as a few scabs on her back now. (I have shared all of this with the homeopath.)

We took her collar off at the end of January because she was doing better, but it seems like that was the only reason she was improving so I am discouraged about that.

Treatment
- I got the aloe @Dr. Jeff recommended and have been putting it on her sores
- Have treated with 10m Sulphur and cell salts (per Dr. Kostecki) - he wants me to watch her for another week and report back, next step possibly to be 10m pulsatilla
- @Dr. Jean Hofve I was adding rescue remedy to her water - didn't want to put it on food and she gets so freaked out when we try to get close to her to touch her or give her something orally... she runs if there is ANYTHING in my hands when I get near her.

Nutrition
- Mornings cooked ground lamb - homemade - with a tiny bit of sweet potato and nutritional yeast, per Dr. Basko's guidelines
- Evenings 1/2 can of Ziwi Peak canned lamb recipe
- Occasional egg yolk snack per Anitra Frazier

Questions:
1) I am taking steps to increase trust, but she runs away if I approach her with anything in my hand. We used to pick her up and wrap her in a blanket to clean and treat her ears but I thought maybe that stress was making things worse. I am having trouble with the line between her happiness and feeling safe versus interventions....I don't seem to have much intuition here... Should I go back to wrapping her up and confining her for treatments?

2) Food - we have restricted her food to the above because we thought a low ingredient diet would remove triggers. The raw food for purchase in my area includes poultry and she does not eat any of the rabbit we have tried. But now that it's just the lamb and she's still not better - should we go ahead and try a raw one with chicken? Or try to add some other meats back in?

3) Thoughts on the Nutriscan test for her situation?

4) A lot has changed in the house since she started the itching - my college aged son has come in and out, my health has been up and down, we had to re-arrange the furniture and had many many guests over the holidays and then with the fires in early January. Could all this stress be the cause?

Thank you all, I feel like I am just not doing this right and I get upset with myself for not being able to help her more. I appreciate your advice and support.

 

[Dr. Jeff]

I thought maybe that stress was making things worse..I don't seem to have much intuition here...

Ah, I think that's great intuition so perhaps listen to it.

should we go ahead and try a raw one with chicken? Or try to add some other meats back in?

Best is to ask Dr. Kostecki as this may affect his interpretation of remedy response.

Personally, I use a wide variety of foods.

Thoughts on the Nutriscan test for her situation?

Sure, it can't hurt and is low stress. Like any test though, don't rely only on the results to help guide you. Tests need to be interpreted using the full context of BEAM, etc. Dr. Kostecki can also help you with this.

Could all this stress be the cause?

Great question! No, the cause is the energetic imbalance resulting in the immune hypersensitivity (allergy) symptoms.

Stress is frequently a trigger that can lower cellular energy and worsen immune balance.