Hi there everyone - looking for some opinions and advice. I apologize for the long post!!! for reference Eva is a 2 year old female 26 pound lagotto romangolo.
Eva was diagnosed with lymes saturday 11/11/23 she was totally fine and normal prior to 11/11, and when woke up in the morning, she did not want to run outside with the other dogs and clearly was having a lot of joint pain. we initially thought this could be due to morning sickness, as she and her pupsband (our other dog) mated numerous times oct 14-18th.
I scheduled a vet appointment that morning and got her in for a 3 pm appointment After worrying and googling all morning, I had a suspicion that it could be lymes, as we do a lot of hiking and she has extremely thick wooly brown fur, and we've found a number of ticks on her and our other dog the last month especially.
At the vet they tested her for lymes, and it came back positive. do not know the levels, but i can email them and see if they can send me the results. she tested neg for heartworm, but also tested positive for anaplasmosis. when the vet bent her paws gently, both of them, she cried in pain.
Vet gave us 30 day round of amoxicillin 250mg. to be taken every 8 hours 3x a day
We had her full blood panel done and that all looked good, and her urinalysis did have "very low levels" of protien in the pee, and i know that can be a sign of early lyme nephritis, but couldn't the protein in the urine be from being pregnant?
The vet didn't seem to be convinced that Eva was pregnant, but since saturday shes looking fatter, nipples bigger, extra cuddly - I'm fully certain that she is pregnant, they tied plenty of times.
Monday I got her started on homeopathic ledum 200c 3x a day and have been giving her japanese knotweed, and a medicinal mushroom tincture i make in organic glycerin with chaga, maitake, shiitake, reishi, and lions mane. Sadly shes been off of this mushroom tincture for the last few months as i had ran out and was in the middle of making a new batch.
you could tell she was feeling A LOT better Sunday even just from 12 hours of antibiotics, and then when we started the ledum monday she has been back to normal. she never lost her appetite, but then again she gets really good raw food so its hard to resist.
Shes been on the antibiotics six days, but has been acting healed since Monday. Would it be crazy to stop the antibiotics and continue the ledum weekly, with Japanese knotweed and medicinal mushrooms daily? shes been on good soil based organic probiotics, and we will continue that for the next year.
I also have a lyme nosode that i have not treated her with yet. I was planning on giving 1 dose a day for 3 days and thats all, and re administer if she has another flare up in the future.
I really would like to get her off the antibiotic... From this study i found it seems that the outcome of people discontinuing their antibiotics early can be the same as if you finished the whole round...
to summarize:
pregnant (about 33 days since mating) 2 year old dog diagnosed with symptomatic lymes 11/11
great improvement 11/12 12 hours later on 250mg amoxicillin
fully improved 11/13 monday with homeopathic Ledum 200c
currently taking 250mg ammoxicillin every 8 hours 3x a day
daily: japanese knotweed tincture, ledum 200c homeopathic remedy, medicinal mushroom glycerin tincture, probiotics
on raw diet (80 muscle/ 10 bone / 5 liver / 5 secreting organ)
To stop amoxicillin or not? its considered safe for pregnancy, but it has been associated with lower birthrate and some other things. If she's feeling completley better, is it needed? We could just do another round of it or actually use doxy after the puppies are weaned and done breastfeeding, if eva starts to show Lyme symptoms again.
and another question that I found mixed info on - can the mother pass lymes to a fetus? General consensus says no, but there is some potential concern, at least in humans
and potentially lyme could harm the fetus in other ways such as birth defects or low birthweight, etc.
Eva has been exposed to plenty of ticks, last year and this year, as we do our best to bathe and check her but some do go un-noticed. I feel bad, as when we do remember to put the essential oil sprays on the dogs before we go out, it does significantly if not eliminate the ticks we find on them.
ive made up spray bottles and put them in both of our vehicles so no matter what we will be spraying them and get into a good habit, as i want to keep our dogs safe, yet dont want to use the chemical treatments, and we arent going to stop hiking anytime soon.
Eva and Massimo are both Lagotto romangolos and we do hunt truffles with them, so they are out all the time with my husband in the woods and they love to work and trade the truffles for the most delicious treats.
massimo has no symtoms and we've not had him tested, but ive been giving him the ledum 200c homeopathic remedy as a precaution, and started him on "dont lyme to me" as he has had tick bites recently as well. I want to give Eva the don't lyme to me herbal blend, but it says "cautioned use" for pregnancy so I have emailed the company to ask more before I give it to her.
I wonder if eva's pregnancy may have lowered her immune response, as i doubt this is the first time she was exposed to lyme.
Thanks for reading this far, I just want to do whats best for our sweet pups and greatly appreciate any feedback and insight.
Eva was diagnosed with lymes saturday 11/11/23 she was totally fine and normal prior to 11/11, and when woke up in the morning, she did not want to run outside with the other dogs and clearly was having a lot of joint pain. we initially thought this could be due to morning sickness, as she and her pupsband (our other dog) mated numerous times oct 14-18th.
I scheduled a vet appointment that morning and got her in for a 3 pm appointment After worrying and googling all morning, I had a suspicion that it could be lymes, as we do a lot of hiking and she has extremely thick wooly brown fur, and we've found a number of ticks on her and our other dog the last month especially.
At the vet they tested her for lymes, and it came back positive. do not know the levels, but i can email them and see if they can send me the results. she tested neg for heartworm, but also tested positive for anaplasmosis. when the vet bent her paws gently, both of them, she cried in pain.
Vet gave us 30 day round of amoxicillin 250mg. to be taken every 8 hours 3x a day
We had her full blood panel done and that all looked good, and her urinalysis did have "very low levels" of protien in the pee, and i know that can be a sign of early lyme nephritis, but couldn't the protein in the urine be from being pregnant?
The vet didn't seem to be convinced that Eva was pregnant, but since saturday shes looking fatter, nipples bigger, extra cuddly - I'm fully certain that she is pregnant, they tied plenty of times.
Monday I got her started on homeopathic ledum 200c 3x a day and have been giving her japanese knotweed, and a medicinal mushroom tincture i make in organic glycerin with chaga, maitake, shiitake, reishi, and lions mane. Sadly shes been off of this mushroom tincture for the last few months as i had ran out and was in the middle of making a new batch.
you could tell she was feeling A LOT better Sunday even just from 12 hours of antibiotics, and then when we started the ledum monday she has been back to normal. she never lost her appetite, but then again she gets really good raw food so its hard to resist.
Shes been on the antibiotics six days, but has been acting healed since Monday. Would it be crazy to stop the antibiotics and continue the ledum weekly, with Japanese knotweed and medicinal mushrooms daily? shes been on good soil based organic probiotics, and we will continue that for the next year.
I also have a lyme nosode that i have not treated her with yet. I was planning on giving 1 dose a day for 3 days and thats all, and re administer if she has another flare up in the future.
I really would like to get her off the antibiotic... From this study i found it seems that the outcome of people discontinuing their antibiotics early can be the same as if you finished the whole round...
to summarize:
pregnant (about 33 days since mating) 2 year old dog diagnosed with symptomatic lymes 11/11
great improvement 11/12 12 hours later on 250mg amoxicillin
fully improved 11/13 monday with homeopathic Ledum 200c
currently taking 250mg ammoxicillin every 8 hours 3x a day
daily: japanese knotweed tincture, ledum 200c homeopathic remedy, medicinal mushroom glycerin tincture, probiotics
on raw diet (80 muscle/ 10 bone / 5 liver / 5 secreting organ)
To stop amoxicillin or not? its considered safe for pregnancy, but it has been associated with lower birthrate and some other things. If she's feeling completley better, is it needed? We could just do another round of it or actually use doxy after the puppies are weaned and done breastfeeding, if eva starts to show Lyme symptoms again.
and another question that I found mixed info on - can the mother pass lymes to a fetus? General consensus says no, but there is some potential concern, at least in humans
and potentially lyme could harm the fetus in other ways such as birth defects or low birthweight, etc.
Eva has been exposed to plenty of ticks, last year and this year, as we do our best to bathe and check her but some do go un-noticed. I feel bad, as when we do remember to put the essential oil sprays on the dogs before we go out, it does significantly if not eliminate the ticks we find on them.
ive made up spray bottles and put them in both of our vehicles so no matter what we will be spraying them and get into a good habit, as i want to keep our dogs safe, yet dont want to use the chemical treatments, and we arent going to stop hiking anytime soon.
Eva and Massimo are both Lagotto romangolos and we do hunt truffles with them, so they are out all the time with my husband in the woods and they love to work and trade the truffles for the most delicious treats.
massimo has no symtoms and we've not had him tested, but ive been giving him the ledum 200c homeopathic remedy as a precaution, and started him on "dont lyme to me" as he has had tick bites recently as well. I want to give Eva the don't lyme to me herbal blend, but it says "cautioned use" for pregnancy so I have emailed the company to ask more before I give it to her.
I wonder if eva's pregnancy may have lowered her immune response, as i doubt this is the first time she was exposed to lyme.
Thanks for reading this far, I just want to do whats best for our sweet pups and greatly appreciate any feedback and insight.
