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Bodhi's appetite: lessons learned and additional guidance needed

JoanneDM

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I posted a couple of months ago about Bodhi's ingestion of packing paper. Here is a recap: the week after ingesting packing paper, Bodhi's appetite declined more and more and so I brought her for an emergency visit at a local animal hospital where an X-ray showed something in her stomach, despite having eaten more than 8 hours earlier. Appetite continued to decline but ultrasound done, while fully fasted, three days later, showed no obstruction. Bodhi eventually pulverized and disintegrated the paper and got it out of her system.

Her appetite fluctuated up and down since then, and I started giving her canned food since it was cooked and may have been easier on her digestive system. I felt though that she still was not eating as much as she should...she hardly was gaining any body weight.

On December 10, I had a session with a very gifted Animal Communicator, after waiting for several weeks to get that opening--I've had sessions with her in the past about my two previous cats, and she provided a lot of detailed information that confirmed that the communications were indeed valid. Bodhi let me know that she wondered why I stopped giving her raw food (needless to say, she was put back on a raw diet the following day) and she said that she eats when she feels like it and that she was not so keen in eating because it was just too much for her and too much change.

Major lessons learned: As I got ready to feed her raw food, I was of the understanding that I had to rotate poultry and red meat for her diet to be balanced and complete. So one meal was chicken, the other meal was rabbit and the next meal turkey, and then for the next meal it was rabbit again and so on (I did not feel comfortable feeding beef to my kitten so stuck to just one red meat source; apparently, lamb too can be hard for a kitten to digest). Now I have learned that this rotation of meals did not go well for Bodhi because she preferred consistency...in hind sight, I should have mixed poultry and red meat for each meal ...

Also, by "too much" I think she meant too many supplements. Either taste-wise or energy-wise, she picked up on what I was adding to her food and that too was putting her off. Lesson learned: NO supplements for kittens to be added to the meal...better way to go...

More recently, I was adding turkey bone broth to her food bowl, and sensed that this was not well tolerated by Bodhi, and sure enough, after checking the ingredients, I found that "cinnamon" can irritate a cat's stomach...so why for goodness sake manufacturers of dog and cat food products would put this on the market for cats is beyond me...

On December 12, I finally had my visit with a local holistic veterinarian (I had to wait 6 weeks for an opening), who himself recommended that I give Bodhi only one protein source. His understanding is that each time a meal contains a different protein source the microbiome has to readjust and so by sticking to one protein source, the microbiome will be much more stable and that will help Bodhi's body to be receptive to take in food. I went along with this idea, especially given Bodhi's own preference for consistency. Adding psyllium to her meals to empty her bowels every day, I was told, would also help clear the way for more food to be taken in. Not wanting to feed her beef, we settled on me giving her raw turkey at every meal time.

Major concern: By not rotating protein sources, I am concerned that Bodhi's diet is not balanced and complete. So, I asked the veterinarian about this and he recommended: Rx Essentials for Cats by Rx Vitamins

Here is the list of ingredients:

1/2 teaspoon contains:
250 IU Vitamin A (as palmitate)
25 mg Spirulina (blue-green algae)
10 mg Milk Thistle
50 mg L-Taurine
25 mg Calcium
20 mg Vitamin C
5 mg L-Methionine
5 mg Gamma linolenic acid (GLA)
5 mg Pantothenic Acid (calcium pantothenate)
50 IU Vitamin D
5 IU Vitamin E
Vitamin B-1 (thiamine) 2 mg
2 mg Vitamin B-2
2 mg Vitamin B3 (niacinamide)
2 mg Vitamin B-6 (pyridoxine)
250 mcg Potassium
25 mcg Kelp (iodine source)
2 mcg Folic Acid
2 mcg Vitamin B-12 (cyanocobalamin)
2 mcg Biotin
1 mg PABA
1 mg Magnesium
1 mg Zinc
1 mcg Selenium

Base Ingredients:
Defatted/Desiccated beef liver
Maltodextrin
Beflora (soy and FOS complex)
Unrefined molasses crystals


Issue:

I have for many weeks now stopped adding supplements to her food, but for the past month I have been adding this vitamin mix. A gifted clairvoyant has told me very recently that this vitamin mix too is not well tolerated by Bodhi.

Bodhi has become so wary of her food, and what I was putting in it, that I have to hand feed her most of the time to get her to eat. Now, all I'm feeding her is raw turkey with some additions from the manufacturer (see list of ingredients below), which she seems okay with, plus a bit of psyllium and probiotics mixed in and nothing else. At times, she eats by herself although apprehensively, and at other times I hand feed her, hoping that with time she will feel reassured that the food will stay as it without anything else being added to it such that she will be comfortable to eat on her own.

But this means that her meals are unlikely balanced and complete. In the past, I had been giving her psyllium with the probiotics mixed in with a Churu treat for kittens, separate from her meal, and she just loved it. I stopped doing that out of concern she would just want to eat the treat and refuse to eat her regular food...but maybe that will not be the case and I could do both. Any thoughts about this?

So, if this works, then I was thinking of adding a vitamin mix to the psyllium/probiotic ball covered in Churu treat, twice a day. How does this sound? But I'm wondering if I should still give the Rx Essentials for Cats or would there be another mix that would be better and available in Canada,?

Another option may be the Alnutrin mix to add to raw meat with bones for kittens:

Ingredients: Egg yolk powder, taurine, iodized salt, vitamin E, iron amino acid chelate, copper citrate, manganese amino acid chelate, zinc oxide, vitamin D3, vitamin B12, vitamin B1.
I would be adding this mix to the following meal:

Double ground turkey and turkey bones, heart, liver; botanical blend of seeds, roots and grasses consisting of: dandelion leaves, lemon grass, parsley, burdock root, oat straw, kelp, Omega 3 old water, cold pressed fish oil (18 DHA, 12 EPA)

If going with the Alnutrin mix, this would mean, according to the instructions, giving her 1 g per day, or if given twice a day, adding 0.5 gram of this mix to 1/4 tsp of psyllium and 1/8 tsp probiotics, with just enough water to turn it into a gel ball that I would then cover up with Churu treat and give after her meal. If following the instructions, the 0.5 gram would have to be added to 7.5 ml of water, but in this case I would only be using 2.5 ml of water ... would this still be okay?

Would there be another mix to consider?

Additionally, I am giving her, each day, one air-dried blue mussel that I rehydrate, as source of manganese and omega-3. I have been and still am giving Bodhi freeze-dried chicken liver and heart for extra nutrients...apparently liver is rich in iron and heart is a good source of taurine ... but not sure what quantity would be sufficient ...

I would greatly appreciate guidance. Anything @Dr. Jean Hofve ; @Dr. Jeff ; @Dr. Christina have to recommend would be so welcomed at this time.

Joanne
 
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Not a vet; not a communicator, but my feeling is that she needs peace and comfort and security in her food supply - in other words, a single stable supply of one nutritious food. My choice would be, hate to say it - grassfed beef. If she likes this, you can keep it up for some time - like forever, if this makes her happy. This, after all, is what carnivores eat - species doesn't much matter many times - , and we don't really have the right to mess with their basic nature:) So, whatever food you pick, stay with it as long as she thrives, and don't load it up with "extras", right now, if ever.

Back in the dark ages, my childhood cat was fed cat tuna and raw liver. Not adequate, perhaps, but he happily lived to 16. He was a bit neurotic and would not tolerate change in any case, and we knew no better. Anyway, you have her whole life slowly to correct whatever you feel is good, but not if she is not happy - so get her happy firstly. Just my unexpert opinion.
 
Great news Joanne about Bodhi's paper partial obstruction! 😻 :snowman:
recommended that I give Bodhi only one protein source. His understanding is that each time a meal contains a different protein source the microbiome has to readjust and so by sticking to one protein source, the microbiome will be much more stable
Ah, that's why I focus on vitality, balance and resilience. IMHO, being "stable" is akin to being less able to adjust to the environment. However, nature may be in balance and stable per se but it is also in a state of dynamic equilibrium (aka changeable balance).

Nature designs all cats, dogs and other living beings/spirit/ universal laws, etc. to be flexible.

New potential harmful influences and germs are presenting themselves all the time, e.g bird flu, covid, etc.



By not rotating protein sources, I am concerned that Bodhi's diet is not balanced and complete
Yes and no. Focusing only on one non-balanced protein can indeed be a problem over time. However, as Ginny points out, one food can indeed be fed long term if the full meal is balanced by something like Alnutrin or Feline Instincts:

If following the instructions, the 0.5 gram would have to be added to 7.5 ml of water, but in this case I would only be using 2.5 ml of water ... would this still be okay?
Sure, if it's OK with Bodhi. Or you can use a commercial raw balanced diet like Viva or Small Batch and not worry about it.
 
balanced by something like Alnutrin or Feline Instincts:
Thank you for your input. The challenge is that Alnutrin, for use with meat that already contains bones, cannot be shipped to Canada; and Feline Instincts that can be shipped to Canada, contains calcium and my kitten already has excess calcium in her system just with the raw food that I give her due to high bone content. Also, Viva Raw and Small Batch do not have distributors for Eastern Canada, so these aren't available either.

I called my local pet food store and they say that Tollden Farm products, including the raw Turkey I get from them, are individually balanced and complete as per ingredients listed in my previous post (but I'm now verifying this with an email directly to this company); it's just that the ratio of nutrients may be different and so that is why rotation would be recommended ...

Perhaps feeding Bodhi freeze-dried chicken hearts/liver, duck liver, and air-dried blue mussel as side treats help ensure a balanced and complete diet, when not rotating protein sources?

I just want to make sure there is no deficiencies at this critical stage in her growth and development....

Joanne
 
If the food is complete and balanced according to normal standards then NO supplements are needed. Adding extra vitamins or minerals will absolutely undo that balance and can lead to toxicity.

Products like Instinct and Alnutrin are meant to be added to plain meat and should NOT be used with a complete food.

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Extra meat/treats should be limited to 10% of total calories.

Doing this on my phone while traveling sorry I can’t get more detailed now.
 
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